[DarkWhiteChocolate]

I'm at 3000 miles and I'm done with the stock scorpions, they have been good to learn on but I need something that does not wear as fast on-road, rides better in gravel and I can trust off-road to not slip out as easy. I know this is a tall order with a 500lb bike with a large human rider who likes to wheelie a lot... I've been looking at the Dunlop Trailmax missions but they seem a little weak off-road and I need to look the part when I ride with my dual-sport buddies. I just read about the Motoz Tractionators and they seem great with everything except for wet weather, and I'm ok with that for the spring/summer/fall as I'm a fair weather rider unless I'm on a journey.

The issue I have is that I cannot find a rear tire in-stock anywhere for either brand. I know it's supply chain issues and right smack in the middle of riding season, but where are folks getting adv rear tires at these days? I've been on a Trailmax waitlist for months and noticed today that unless I want to spend $300 for a rear on eBay I'm out of luck...

Any other 4,000 mile + adv tires out there that are available? Where did all of the rear tires go?

 

[Bauer]

Wolf an Austrian Motorcyclist who does a lot of Vids on Youtube recommended the Bridgestone AT41. It is a 80/20 or 70/30 tire not a 50/50.

Test AT41

Conclution: Better wet grip and life period (8000km)

My Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR will last aprox. 5000 km I guess and I don't use it on heavy offroad. So my next tire will be the AT41.

 

[KrillOill]

I really liked the Bridgestone AX41's on my Tiger, but they didn't last long at all. I plan to go with the MotoZ Tractionator Adventures on the Norden. At least for the rear...not sure about the front yet.

 

[DarkWhiteChocolate]

I really liked the Bridgestone AX41's on my Tiger, but they didn't last long at all. I plan to go with the MotoZ Tractionator Adventures on the Norden. At least for the rear...not sure about the front yet.

Let me know if you ever find some available in the US...

 

[KrillOill]

Let me know if you ever find some available in the US...

Will do.

 

[KrillOill]

You could try the RallZ. I heard they're better than the adventure off-road, but they don't have the crazy longevity that the adventure has.

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[Donk]

I was not a Bridgestone fan until I tried a set of the new Battlax A41 Trail. Love them

 

[DarkWhiteChocolate]

I was not a Bridgestone fan until I tried a set of the new Battlax A41 Trail. Love them

The trails look like a 10% off road and 90% on-road tire, I'm looking for a unicorn 75/25 semi knobby that rides good off and on road wet and dry and has 4000 mile life before becoming useless off-road. I know it's a lot to ask... The Motoz tire selection look promising!
The adventurecross also looks interesting but after running some death-wings and having the front wash out time after time I'm not a huge Bridgestone fan either.

 

[ECJJCE]

I am also constantly on the search for a similar 80/20 tire, and have tried many......
I just retired a set of Michelin Anakee Adventures after 6500 miles, and though billed as 80/20 street biased tires, I'd say their offroad performance was not that great, and their profile flattened out quickly (especially the rear), and the front wore strangely, leaving a sort of cupped center strip, which I think is a result of their '2CT' multi compound technology.
They were good on road and in the wet, but their limited offroad performance, and strange wear pattern won't have me buying them again.
I replaced them with a set of Continental tires, running a TKC70 up front, and a TKC70 Rocks in the rear. The TKC70's are billed as an 80/20 tire, while the 'Rocks' version (available in rear only) is billed as a 60/40 tire. I had run a set of the TKC70's (non-rocks version) on a previous bike and liked them, but wanted something with a little more offroad bite, hence the 'Rocks' rear this time around. I only have a couple hundred miles on this set, but so far, I am impressed. The 'Rocks' seems more than reasonable on road, and is a big step up on the gravel and dirt roads I have run so far.
To be clear, I am not running any of these on a Norden, as mine is on order. For that bike, I plan to use it more offroad, and so will move to at least a 50/50 tire for that machine.

 

[Mooseb]

The trails look like a 10% off road and 90% on-road tire, I'm looking for a unicorn 75/25 semi knobby that rides good off and on road wet and dry and has 4000 mile life before becoming useless off-road. I know it's a lot to ask... The Motoz tire selection look promising!
The adventurecross also looks interesting but after running some death-wings and having the front wash out time after time I'm not a huge Bridgestone fan either.

I have installed the MotoZ GPS and am very impressed with them. I have about 5000kms on them now (2000km off road and 3000km on road), I would estimate about 50-60% wear. My friend put Battleaxe on his KTM 1090 at the same time and travelled the same roads (on a trip together) and he is replacing his rear tire now. I'm happy with the performance both on and off road.

 

[Jack Subrosa]

I'm at 3000 miles and I'm done with the stock scorpions, they have been good to learn on but I need something that does not wear as fast on-road, rides better in gravel and I can trust off-road to not slip out as easy. I know this is a tall order with a 500lb bike with a large human rider who likes to wheelie a lot... I've been looking at the Dunlop Trailmax missions but they seem a little weak off-road and I need to look the part when I ride with my dual-sport buddies. I just read about the Motoz Tractionators and they seem great with everything except for wet weather, and I'm ok with that for the spring/summer/fall as I'm a fair weather rider unless I'm on a journey.

The issue I have is that I cannot find a rear tire in-stock anywhere for either brand. I know it's supply chain issues and right smack in the middle of riding season, but where are folks getting adv rear tires at these days? I've been on a Trailmax waitlist for months and noticed today that unless I want to spend $300 for a rear on eBay I'm out of luck...

Any other 4,000 mile + adv tires out there that are available? Where did all of the rear tires go?

Yeah, my Scorpions, with 3000 miles, are almost certainly the reason I went down really hard on a gravel road over Memorial Day. A little too fast, and not sure why I thought I oughta be 'catching a little air' as I went over that rise, but still. The Scorpions just couldn't handle the landing. Lost traction. They're still on the bike though. Since there is a bit of tread left, and this summer is only going to be a few hundreds miles of tarmac, thought I'd milk the little bit of tread left out of them. At 3900 now and there is still a safe amount. But I've got brand new Heidenau K60 'Rangers' in the garage. Heard great things about 'em, and I've had great past experiences on 2 GSAs and a GS with the K60 'Scouts'. Thought I'd try the Rangers. Had to order one tire from Revzilla and the other from...I forgot. But they are significantly more aggressive than the Scouts. Gonna mount in September, burn 'em in, and then we have a combo road/trail trip planned in Arkansas. So it's six weeks before I can report back. I do know that I'd never voluntarily put the Scorpions on anything. My buddy just crossed from the East Coast to the West through Canada (many a gravel road mile) and then back (though the US) with the Dunlop Trailmax on his GSA. He was told they are 'the tire' of choice now amongst BMW dealerships...and those of us still drinking the Kool-Aide (that 400 lb plus bikes can reasonably be used off-road). He wasn't impressed. His response was basically - "meh". Not as much traction as he wanted on gravel, but road like a dirt tire on the tarmac. But if I hadn't already bought the Rangers, I'd be looking for 80/20s. After 20 years of this hobby, training from one of the premier big bike adv trainers, tens of thousands of miles with big BMWs in the US and Europe, and since January trying to ride the 901 off-road, I've 'seen the light'! Had an epiphany! Have accepted what I was told 10 years ago. Unless one is extremely talented, they are gonna have a lot more fun and be a lot safer on a small dual purpose, or better yet a dirt bike when riding off-road. So I got me a 'new-to-me' 2007 BMW G650 X-Challenge for my off-road riding. It runs circles around the 901 when off-road. The 901 was breath of fresh air when riding off-road compared to my prior GSAs, but the G650 immediately gave me a 'WTH was I thinking' moment. It's really a dual purpose, and at 320ish lbs dry, it isn't really a dirt bike, but that's good if one is to ride on the tarmac from dirt trail to the next dirt trail. It's got substantial weight relative to a 250 lb dirt bike, and it'll do 80 comfortably on the tarmac, but off-road I can 'ride it like I stole it' and almost never go down. When riding hard, and things seem to be 'going south', I can dab and keep her afloat. She would be the weapon of choice for my next BDR, hands down. But like I mentioned above, the Norden would be getting 80/20s and staying on the tarmac (except for the occasional well-maintained fire or gravel road) as it was designed to do if I hadn't already bought the Rangers. I'll let you know how the Rangers feel come the 1st week of October.

 

[Sauce]

If you're not mudding, the Mission Trailmax is definitely the unicorn. It gives up a little when it's cold and wet, but overall it's the best compromise I've seen so far. Like you said though... they're hard to get. I was going to get the E07 or E07+ but those are gone too. RIP supply chain.

 

[DarkWhiteChocolate]

I'm waiting on my Panniers, Center stand, tires, cyclops turn signals and a windscreen... All due to supply chain issues. That excuse is getting old, I've never worked more since the pandemic so no delays on my end, LOL.

 

[Donk]

Tire supply is tragic now this time of year. I learned that last summer with the 890 Adventure. Since then I keep 1 or 2 pairs in my shop for when I need them.

 

[the.mkdp]

I have some Shinko 705's coming. 70/30 tire. Couple of the guys at work have used them and like them as a solid alternative to the TKC70's. MotoSport.com has them I believe.

 

[SydsTub]

I’ve had Mitas E07+ on my KTM640 for the past 12 months, I rate them as a very good 50/50 tyre
The older E07 was ok too but the + version is so much better. Grippy on road in the wet, wear very well and the big lugs hook up in gravel, rocks and some light mud. Plus they have a rounder profile, no centre strip so they don’t get squirrely as they wear…I like them alot, so if most of your time is road to get you dirty, these are a great all rounder alternative. Not sure what stock lines are like in the US however

 

[GazzaNZ]

I found the Scorpions good on asphalt and not bad on dry and even slippery gravel roads. However when the mud is little is little bit deeper than surface or you are on wet grass they are awful. I changed them at ~1700km because I wasn't happy. I put on a TKC80 on the front based on advice from some very experienced Adv riders in my area. I put a Motoz Tractionator Adventure on the rear. A huge difference to the Offroad performance. I can throw the bike around on grass likes its a big dirt bike. On tarmac it is a little more "viby" as these are knobbly tyres. Really happy the combination for what I want and that is important as tyres are about where and how I ride.
These tyres were listed as sold out on all sites when I was reviewing them. I asked my local Ktm/husky dealer to put some on order for me expecting a long wait. But as they are linked into the wholesale network they had them in two days. I hope that helps you.

I had the EO7+ on my ktm790 that had prior to the Norden. They were as good but I did not like the flatness of the tyres. I did not feel confident cornering on tarmac. It may be completely a mental thing but I felt it made the bike resist and then tip into the corner. I prefer the combination I am now running as they are rounded.

Experienced riders have warned me away from ADV tyres that have central unbroken strip around the tyre. It makes the bike very smooth on tarmac, but give poor braking on gravel descents. Locks easily and then acts like a sled runner. If you live in a mountainous place this would be important to you but if you don’t it won’t and highway comfort maybe more important.

I do think reading your posts. You need two bikes. A sport bike to let rip on the tarmac and then the adv for the dirt. 50/50 tyres are not going to take a lot of tarmac punishment.

 

[Norden901fldg]

Hi from NZ, (my opinion only) I’ve just been on a 1600km 4 day ride of half grave half roads here in New Zealand. 2nd day in (day 1of grave) and I struggled with these tyres (scorpions) and bike for that mater, day 2 of gravel and I aired down to 26psi (with luggage) and what a difference it made, just carved it up. My 990 Adventure has had 2 set of motoz, the GPS and Adventure, the gps I struggled in heavy rain with a couple of front and rear slips, so I tried the adventure, very loud front tyre that I really thought Id done a wheel bearing, yes these tyres will last longer but are very hard in compound, in saying that my riding companion has the motoz GPS on a 850 Beamer at 40psi and has had excellent results, no slips on both gravel and wet weather, so at this point I’m going to stick with the scorpions and may try the Motoz later with the next generation, my opinion only

 

[KrillOill]

I'm pretty happy with my current combination. Bridgestone AX41 front and MotoZ Tractionator Adventure rear. Took some miles to break the rear in but now...it sticks pretty good on the pavement and was always great off-road. The AX41 was good from the start...on- and off-road.

 

[Donk]

I'm running the new AX41 front and rear now and I'm very happy with them.