I had a slow crash, after that i´m thinking...

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Raul

Discussion Starter · 4 mo ago

Buen día. La semana pasada estaba en un camino de tierra y choqué con hierba helada a baja velocidad y la bicicleta se cayó y no le pasó nada. Solo la placa protectora original estaba abollada. Ni los plásticos ni el tubo de escape estaban rayados. Estaba pensando en poner las barras H&B pero me di cuenta que los golpes irían al motor, sé de un caso en una GSX-r que se rompió el motor en un choque a baja velocidad por los topes de choque.
Prefiero romper los plasticos que al arrastrar la moto, se puede enganchar una barra con una piedra y romper un tornillo de motor. ¿Cuál es tu opinión? ¿Conoces algún caso? saludos

Buenos días. la semana pasada iba por camino de tierra y pisé hierba helada a poca velocidad y la moto se cayo y no le pasó nada. solamente se abollo la chapa del cubrecarter original. no se rallaron ni los plasticos ni el tubo de escape. estaba pensando en poner las barras H&B pero me dio cuenta que los golpes irian destinados al motor, conozco un caso en una GSX-r que rompio el motor en una caida a baja velocidad debido a los topes anticaida.
perfiero romper los plasticos a que en un arrastre de la moto se pueda enganchar una barra con alguna piedra y partir algun tornillo del motor. ¿que opinais? ¿Conocéis algún caso? saludos

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Raul

Discussion Starter · #2 · 4 mo ago

Raul said:
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Good morning. Last week I was going on a dirt road and I stepped on icy grass at low speed and the bike fell off and nothing happened to it. Only the original skid plate was dented. Neither the plastics nor the exhaust pipe were scratched. I was thinking of putting the H&B bars but I realized that the blows would go to the engine, I know of a case in a GSX-r that broke the engine in a low speed crash due to the crash stops.
I prefer to break the plastics than when dragging the motorcycle, a bar can be hooked with a stone and break an engine screw. What is your opinion? Do you know any case? greetings

DarkWhiteChocolate

· #3 · 4 mo ago

I've put my bike down almost a dozen times now all less than 5mph and always in dirt or off road. I use the AXP skid plate and the Givi low crash bars and I don't worry about the engine getting damaged. The bars spread the load across several points so it's not like you are putting all of that weight on one bolt.

After all the times I've gone down, Ive got 1 small scratch on the wind screen and I've knocked the turn signals out of socket a few times. My bike is not a pavement princess nor do I abuse it but I definitely have fun with it off-road and the protection is necessary.

I do need to eventually get better hand guards, the stock ones are like putting a plastic bumper on a pickup truck, pointless...

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Raul

Discussion Starter · #4 · 4 mo ago

DarkWhiteChocolate said:
I've put my bike down almost a dozen times now all less than 5mph and always in dirt or off road. I use the AXP skid plate and the Givi low crash bars and I don't worry about the engine getting damaged. The bars spread the load across several points so it's not like you are putting all of that weight on one bolt.

After all the times I've gone down, Ive got 1 small scratch on the wind screen and I've knocked the turn signals out of socket a few times. My bike is not a pavement princess nor do I abuse it but I definitely have fun with it off-road and the protection is necessary.

I do need to eventually get better hand guards, the stock ones are like putting a plastic bumper on a pickup truck, pointless...

Thank you very much for your answer, for now I am going to buy the axp, I have seen the outback motortek bars, put on your website which are the only ones that are fixed to the structure of the motorcycle, I find them interesting but not pretty. I totally agree with you that the bike is not a princess, I bought it to ride mainly roads since I come from enduro. I am very happy with the handling of the bike because when the weight is lowered it behaves very well off road. Regarding hand protection, have you seen those from hebco&beker? what do you think?

Mooseb

· #5 · 4 mo ago

Raul said:
Thank you very much for your answer, for now I am going to buy the axp, I have seen the outback motortek bars, put on your website which are the only ones that are fixed to the structure of the motorcycle, I find them interesting but not pretty. I totally agree with you that the bike is not a princess, I bought it to ride mainly roads since I come from enduro. I am very happy with the handling of the bike because when the weight is lowered it behaves very well off road. Regarding hand protection, have you seen those from hebco&beker? what do you think?

I have the H&B hand guards. I really like them for the styling and they have stood up to a number of hard landings without any issues.
The only consideration is that because they mount on the on the bolts at the head set you can't rotate them (or the plastic guards) independently. This may or may not be a problem depending on your set up. Because I wanted to rotate the brake and clutch levers down ( for comfort for standing) there was a bit of interference with the plastic hand covers. I ground a bit of the plastic away to make it work.
I'm not sure how the bark Busters mount on this bike so don't know if they would be easier?

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DarkWhiteChocolate

· #6 · 4 mo ago

The H&B ones look really cool, but they are pretty expensive. For about the same money, I'll probably go with the same one's I've used on my last 3 bikes, "Highway Dirt Bikes" brand has their HDB Ultimate hand guards that are built like a tank, I could easily support the entire weight of the bike on one of them. They are way stronger than the bark busters.
I will probably sandblast the aluminum and paint the aluminum black.

Raul

Discussion Starter · #7 · 4 mo ago

Mooseb said:
I have the H&B hand guards. I really like them for the styling and they have stood up to a number of hard landings without any issues.
The only consideration is that because they mount on the on the bolts at the head set you can't rotate them (or the plastic guards) independently. This may or may not be a problem depending on your set up. Because I wanted to rotate the brake and clutch levers down ( for comfort for standing) there was a bit of interference with the plastic hand covers. I ground a bit of the plastic away to make it work.
I'm not sure how the bark Busters mount on this bike so don't know if they would be easier?

Is it really necessary to put the barkbusters type protectors? The original hand protectors do not have an aluminum reinforcement inside? I like the H&B and with your comment it is very probable that I will install them. thank you. Here in Spain you can get them for $120.

Raul

Discussion Starter · #8 · 4 mo ago

DarkWhiteChocolate said:
The H&B ones look really cool, but they are pretty expensive. For about the same money, I'll probably go with the same one's I've used on my last 3 bikes, "Highway Dirt Bikes" brand has their HDB Ultimate hand guards that are built like a tank, I could easily support the entire weight of the bike on one of them. They are way stronger than the bark busters.
I will probably sandblast the aluminum and paint the aluminum black.

Those protectors look tough as a tank. I like the detail of hiding the mirrors but here in Spain if the police see you, you are a victim. I also think that here you can not get that brand. As I said to the partner above, here you can get the H&B for about $120 ($172-30% discount if you have a friend who has a workshop)

Widle

· #9 · 4 mo ago

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ECJJCE

· #10 · 4 mo ago

Mooseb said:
I have the H&B hand guards. I really like them for the styling and they have stood up to a number of hard landings without any issues.
The only consideration is that because they mount on the on the bolts at the head set you can't rotate them (or the plastic guards) independently. This may or may not be a problem depending on your set up. Because I wanted to rotate the brake and clutch levers down ( for comfort for standing) there was a bit of interference with the plastic hand covers. I ground a bit of the plastic away to make it work.
I'm not sure how the bark Busters mount on this bike so don't know if they would be easier?

As Mooseb says, you can't roll the H & B guards down to match your controls if you roll those down (which I do). I also don't like that they bolt to the handlebar clamps. I'd rather they clamp around the handlebars and be able to rotate if you have a really severe drop, and not put so much strain on a critical bolted connection such as the handlebar clamp bolts. You'd be rather screwed if you sheared those off!

Raul

Discussion Starter · #11 · 4 mo ago

Well, then the defense thing is going to be a problem, it's going to be what I thought at the beginning. They can do more damage than they take away. I'm going to continue with the idea of just putting the skid plate...

ralph42

· #12 · 4 mo ago

One week after I installed the H & B Solid crashbars, I had a crash at about 30mph. Really happy that it happened in that order and not the other way round ;-)
Unvisible mud on a wet street caused the front wheel to slip away, the bike slid about 10 meters over the street. The crash bar looked corresponding, was abraded and deformed. On the bike itself, just the one plate that covers the tank had scratches. And the nut that the bar is fastened to behind the radiator had to be replaced.
I don't want to imagine, how the bike would have looked like without the bars ... I bought a new one immediately.

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Raul

Discussion Starter · #13 · 4 mo ago

ralph42 said:
One week after I installed the H & B Solid crashbars, I had a crash at about 30mph. Really happy that it happened in that order and not the other way round ;-)
Unvisible mud on a wet street caused the front wheel to slip away, the bike slid about 10 meters over the street. The crash bar looked corresponding, was abraded and deformed. On the bike itself, just the one plate that covers the tank had scratches. And the nut that the bar is fastened to behind the radiator had to be replaced.
I don't want to imagine, how the bike would have looked like without the bars ... I bought a new one immediately.

Don't you think that with the skid plate and the hand guards it would have been enough for the slide? I say this because according to what I observed when the motorcycle fell, it rested on the skid plate in the area of the gasoline tank. It has to be a significant drag until you get to wear the skid plate. The bars are not cheap to change after a fall either.

hANNAbONE

· #14 · 4 mo ago

I have noted many (if not all) of the riders that post on this forum do not use front and rear sliders.

If a rider opted for crash bars and a heavier skid plate that purchase might be redundant.

However, it would seem that a fore and aft set of good sliders would help in a tumble.

Am I wrong..?

ralph42

· #15 · 4 mo ago

I post a photo of the crash bar:

Bumper Bicycle part Eyewear Wood Tints and shades

In addition the deformation by 3 cm.

This made ME (!) think that the crashbar might be the cheaper solution in the end.

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hANNAbONE

· #16 · 4 mo ago

was your wreck on tarmac/hard surface vs dirt/gravel/rock???

ralph42

· #17 · 4 mo ago

Hard surface.

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Raul

Discussion Starter · #18 · 3 mo ago

ralph42 said:
Hard surface.

Wow, I hope the damage is only material. handlebars/handguards and exhaust pipe undamaged? I see that the h&b are the ones below. At first I liked the ones that are bigger (photo attached) as I was telling you, I know of cases in which the anti-fall protectors have dented and split the chassis on R motorcycles. One case slipped and got caught on a pothole of those that exist so that the cars do not run... the motorcycle to throw

Motor vehicle Hood Automotive tire Vehicle Automotive lighting

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ralph42

· #19 · 3 mo ago

Was on the left side, nothing else damaged (also not me!), everything fine.

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DarkWhiteChocolate

· #20 · 3 mo ago

Good thing you are ok! and Good thing you put some protection on it, the stock skid plate is garbage.

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